Everyday Runners

EDR #88 /EDR Coaching/Nienke Pannekoek Digs Running (in NL)

Hello and welcome to Episode 88 of Everyday Runners podcast. I’m Andy Fuller - the host of this podcast and a co-founder of Reading Sideways Press. This podcast explores the practices, methods and cultures of running by interviewing everyday runners, high performing athletes and researchers with a social science or humanities background. 
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This is indeed a special episode for me as it features a conversation with an athlete I’m coaching: Nienke Pannekoek of Warmond here in South Holland.
I met Nienke about 12 months ago and during our first conversation, she mentioned two things: first that she was looking for a running community here in Leiden and two, that she was deadset on breaking 3 hours for the marathon. Nienke had had a great time running in South Africa, where she had lived for several years, and was yet to find her running mojo back here in NL. In short, we got along well and I entrusted myself - but most importantly, Nienke trust me, to help her find her running people here in Leiden as well as to work with her towards the sub-3 goal in Valencia. 
One of my first tasks that I set myself was to dilute the pressure regarding the sub-3 marathon goal. I wanted to broaden Nienke’s self-perception as a runner. Nienke built up her consistency and her enjoyment of running in South Holland through finding new routes, finding some running-buddies whom she connected with and finding the right tier of races that could fit in with her family life and work schedule. I wanted Nienke as much as possible to run in her own way and making sure it suited her. 
Nienke thus also became my first official EDR Coaching client - although I detest the word ‘client’ when talking about a friend. So, let’s just say she has become the OG of the EDR OG’s. 
I now have a compact group of  runner/athletes who I am guiding through their training. My goals for my runners is basically to establish their consistency, diversify their running practice, and then work towards varying goals - whatever they may actually be. When an athlete tells me, ‘this is my goal - i.e. such and such minutes.’ I generally reply to say, ‘that’s a great and very worthy goal.’ But, in the usual running-cliched manner, I start to unpack that goal and we work through all of the various layers to that goal. This can be summarised as thinking about the ‘journey’. This is a metaphor I’m okay with: running is a process of navigating through shifting terrain. 
If you are interested in having me as your coach, don't hesitate to get in touch. 
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Music by Jeroen Rondeel of Cymbaline 

EDR #87 /Athlete Profile/Tara Palm: The Longevity of the Long Distance Runner

This episode features an interview with Tara Palm, an Australian athlete, based in Adelaide. 
She recently represented Australia in the marathon at the World Championships in Tokyo. 
For context, Tara has been racing competitively since the 1990s, so, she has seen a lot of changes in the sport. And, also, awesome for her, she is still churning out some great times and is looking forward to performing well in some upcoming marathons in 2026. 
Her PBs include: 32:14 for the 10km; 1:10 for the half-marathon and 2:32 for the full marathon. 
So, in this conversation, we discuss her longevity as an athlete, heat training, racing hard despite difficult conditions and the pleasures of running in the beautiful city of Adelaide. 
Tara is also a frequent visitor to the Netherlands and I’ve got my fingers crossed that she’ll make it sooner or later to NL for a race.
Anyway, that’s all for the now. 
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Until next time, doei doei
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Music by Jeroen Rondeel of Cymbaline 

EDR: #86 /Athlete Profiles/ Gianluca Assorgia & Lucas Nieuweboer: Amsterdam, altitude training, racing strategies, coaching relationships.

This episode features a conversation with two top athletes of the Netherlands, Gianluca Assorgia and Lucas Nieuweboer. Gianluca, with a time of 2:12 came second in the recent Amsterdam Marathon and Lucas had a slightly more difficult day, with a time of just under the 2:16 mark. Gianluca finished second in the Dutch championship and Lucas was eighth. Gianluca had initially planned the Berlin Marathon to be his main goal but owing to the heat, he switched his priority to competing for a medal in Amsterdam. Lucas, a former winner of the Halve van Egmond, had an interrupted preparation and perhaps has put this marathon away as a good preparation for another marathon where he can perform at his best. 
The interview was recorded the day after the Amsterdam marathon, so, although it has been a little while since that day, I find it too difficult to produce more than one episode per week. I think this interview still holds its relevance though for the way they speak of their training programs, relationships with their coaches and of course their tactics going into races. 
I enjoyed being at the marathon that day because I got to watch the Dutch athletes competing for their national marathon title. The Amsterdam marathon is the one marathon per year that I always plan on watching live, rather than participating in. 
This makes me think of the weekend’s incredible New York Marathon. I normally wouldn’t have watched it, but owing to the race being on HBO, I was able to watch a replay. This race again confirmed my thoughts: to make marathons more exciting as a spectacle, the courses need to be hilly and there needs to be no pacers. Both the women’s and men’s races were tense and exciting owing to the tactics that played out. While pacers don’t necessarily preclude interesting race strategies, their absence does enable a greater opportunity for games of cat and mouse between the athletes. I’m hoping that the time-trial mode of marathon racing can somehow slowly whither away. This mode of racing may have come from the advent of carbon fibre plated shoes and the awesomeness of Kipchoge and Kiptum. But with Kiptum’s death and Kipchoge no being at the pointy end of races, the sport can be attractive for its racing spectacularity. And, to be honest, there have been some great races: Sifan Hassan’s performances in her debut marathon and the Paris Olympics, the Tokyo world championship marathons; Lokedi versus Obiri in the Boston Marathon and then of course, both races on the weekend. So yeah, I’m not the only person to be saying this about marathons, but yeah, give me a tight race over a fast time any time. 
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Music by Jeroen Rondeel of Cymbaline 

EDR #85 /Amsterdam Review/Anne Luijten and Frank Futselaar on their tense race moments, being a citizen as well as an athlete, and minimal preparation

Hello and welcome back to Everyday Runners podcast. In this episode Frank Futselaar (first time on EDR) and Anne Luijten (regular) share their experiences of the Amsterdam Marathon. Frank had some annoying calf-troubles and couldn't quite get what he wanted out of the race. Anne won the Dutch championship despite having a very short and interrupted recovery period after the World Championships. 
Frank also spoke about his time working as a cultural anthropologist where he worked with Kenyan athletes and explored what it means to be both an athlete and citizen. He also shared some hilarious anecdotes about those tense moments leading up the race and how he seeks to stay focused on the race. 

EDR #84.1. /Racing/ Andy vs Joao: Executing and Creativity

Yo!
This episode is a conversation between Joao Seixas and myself, Andy Fuller. 
I ask him about his upcoming marathon in Amsterdam. He asks me about how things went in my half-marathon in Eindhoven. 
We talk about 'executing a plan' and 'being creative during a race'. 
I talk about my coaching practice. 
And that's about it. Friday bonus episode. Enjoy!
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Music by Jeroen Rondeel of Cymbaline 

EDR #84 /Coaching/ Honore Hoedt: “I don’t coach athletes. I coach people.”

In this episode, I speak with Honore Hoedt who is the former national distance coach of the Netherlands and Norway. 
He has coached athletes to national records in Iceland, Sweden, Norway and of course here in the Netherlands. 
Honore is well-known for his work with Sifan Hassan and for guiding her to victory in the indoor World Championships in 2016 in the 1500m. He has also coached Bram Som and Gert Jan Liefers. 
Honore has worked with national athletics federations throughout Europe and also in Australia. One of his areas of expertise is working with athletes who are strong at the 400m to being able to compete in the 800m event. He gives them shorter intervals and they do their volume on the bike. So simple isn’t it! 
Honore works for Loopland Gelderland in Papendal where he discovers and develops young and talented athletes. He also coaches runners and athletes remotely in order for them to reach their desired level. 
Honore also works with Nike Team Pace and Tomasz Lewandowski. 
He gives lectures, seminars and coaches other coaches. If you would like to contact Honore, his email address is: honorehoedt@gmail.com
In this interview, we discuss Honore’s journey as a coach and how he has learned, what he has learned. I want to thank Honore very much for his generosity with his time and sharing his stories. 
I hope you enjoy this conversation. 
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Music by Jeroen Rondeel of Cymbaline 

EDR #83.1 /Friday Bonus/Joao vs Andy: Doing a Marathon on Heart Rate and Phantom Marathons

Hello Bonus Episode! This podcast started as a conversation between Joao and myself. So, with the Amsterdam Marathon approaching - and the fact that Joao is doing it - I thought we’d have another chat. Joao speaks about doing this marathon largely according to his heart rate and I talk about whether or not I’m likely to do a large scale event any time soon. We also discuss whether doing a phantom marathon really counts as doing a marathon and to what extent it is important to gain outside recognition for running well. "If one runs 42.2km by oneself, does it count as a doing a marathon?"
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EDR #83 /Leidse trots/Amina Maatoug - "You can be one of the best performers in the world and still have a lot of fun."

Amina Maatoug is one of Leiden Atletiek's most popular, cherished and cheerful athletes. She has recently returned from the World Championships where she made her senior international debut in the 1500m. 
We discuss her relationship with her University of Washington coach, Maurica Powell, Amina's qualification for Tokyo, and what she finds most important in an athlete-coach relationship. (It's not the program.)
Other matters: I also share my plans for writing a book related to Everyday Runners; my race agenda for the next two or so months and how I'm likely to be back on Strava soon. 
Until next time. Doei doei! 
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EDR #82: /The Art of Coaching/ Joseph Mills: “Instead of having my running spikes, I just have my theories and a keyboard”

This episode features a conversation with Joseph Mills, who is an International Adjunct Professor in the Master of Sports Coaching program at the University of Denver. That is his formal title. According to his profile, “his research and teaching interests are in the application of social-cultural theories to bridge science (real-world) practice divides in coaching, sport and exercise.” 
My interest in Joe’s work stems from my coaching practice. I have started coaching at Leiden Atletiek and privately over the last 12 months and while I’m looking to learn from more established figures in the running-coaching game, I’m also looking to put my own spin on how I do things. That involves thinking critically about some of the foundational presumptions we have about athletics training and what makes a good coach. 
I got in touch with Joe after seeing his work referenced in that of Zoe Avner’s who was featured in episode 78. I also saw that they had co-authored some articles together. Joe’s work is very much informed by Michel Foucault, whose work created such a great intervention in thinking about power and knowledge structures. 
So, in this conversation we talk about Joe’s relationships with his running coaches; Foucault and discipline; the disciplined athlete; his work as a post-structuralist scholar; running as play; training for racing; the rise of sports science as a discipline. 
I want to thank Joe very much for the sincere and open manner in which he shared his thinking and experiences with me during this interview. It’s moments like this that really make me glad that I started this podcast. I’m trying to build a substantial resource of conversations which can be of use to runners and non-runners alike. Apologies to those who are looking for quick answers, tips and gear endorsements. That’s not what my podcast is about. So, if you are liking what you are listening to, please feel to support via the Buy Me a Coffee platform. You’ll be even more of a legend than you already are. 
So, dat was hem voor nu. It’s a beautiful, still, calm autumn day in the best city in the province of South Holland in the Netherlands. Doei doei! 
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EDR #81 /WK Review/ “Het is veel meer een spelletje”: Met Anne Luijten, Marcella Herzog en Niels Esmeijer

Hallo en welkom bij aflevering #81 van de podcast Everyday Runners. Ik ben Andy Fuller, de host van deze show en ook mede-oprichter van Reading Sideways Press. Deze podcast duikt in de praktijk, methodes en culturen van het hardlopen door interviews met alledaagse lopers, topatleten en onderzoekers met een achtergrond in de sociale of geesteswetenschappen.
Deze aflevering is een gesprek met vaste gasten, atleten Anne Luijten, Marcella Herzog en trainer Niels Esmeijer. Anne en Marcella zijn net terug uit Japan waar ze in Tokio meededen aan de marathon op het WK. Het is overbodig om te zeggen, maar ze hebben allebei heel goed gepresteerd. We bespreken een aantal interessante onderwerpen: wat een toernooimarathon speciaal maakt; strategieën voor de voorbereiding op een marathon in de hitte; de nieuwe atleet-coach-samenwerking van Marcella en Niels; training en AI en, het leven van een atleet.
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